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Section 9 – Final Product (Canoe and Cutaway Section)
RFI No.: 25
Subject: Section 9.1.1, Canoe Stands
Section 9.1.1, third paragraph, page 42: "Canoes shall be displayed on display stands designed to support the canoe at a clear height of 2.5 to 4 feet below the canoe." Our team would appreciate a definition of the statement "clear height." This statement is seemingly contradictory and disqualifies the use of a stand. (Plus we really need to know how large our stand is allowed to be BEFORE we start to design and build it.)
Response: The intent of the rules it to support the canoe with the use of stands so that the canoe is elevated 2.5 to 4 feet off the ground. The clear height is the measurement from the ground to the bottom of the canoe (assuming the canoe is placed in the stands right side up. Basically the CNCCC does not want the canoe resting on a table (or other type of structure) that would support most of the length of the canoe. We are not asking for a hoist system to cradle the canoe and allow it to hover over the ground.
RFI No.: 40
Subject: Section 9.1.1, Canoe Stand and Props
I need some clarification about the canoe stand. Can the stand have extra pieces to it other than the support pieces or would all pieces used in the stand design have to be actually holding the canoe up? For instance if the pieces holding up the canoe are going to be cacti can there be extra piece around the stand such as a coyote?
Response: Under. 9.1.1, General Requirements (Final Product), “For aesthetics judging, all canoes shall be assembled in a common area. Canoes shall be displayed on display stands designed to support the canoe at a clear height of 2.5 to 4 feet below the canoe. No lighting, sound, or canopies shall be permitted at the time of judging.” The non-supporting pieces are props and are permissible as long as the props are not presented in a way that they act as an extension of the product display (should not be informative).
RFI No.: 58
Subject: Section 9.1.1, Canoe Stand(s)
Section 9.1.1 General Requirements: Canoes shall be displayed on display stands designed to support the canoe at a clear height of 2.5 to 4feet below the canoe. We will be able to use one stand directly underneath the center of the canoe?
RFI No.: 85
Subject: Section 9.2.3.b, Scoring Criteria
Section 9.2.3.b states: Failure of the canoe to complete all preliminary sprint and endurance events will result in the canoe receiving zero Final Product points for the competition. Does that mean a canoe that completes all preliminary races but not the final races at the conference competition still qualifies for all of the Final Product points? Or does the statement mean that a canoe receives zero Final Product points if it doesn't complete both the preliminary and final races at the conference competition?
Response: In general, the durability of all of the canoes at the conference or national competitions is based at a given point in time – the completion of the endurance races and the preliminary sprints. At this point in time, all of the canoes have undergone the same amount of races (depending on the size of the conference and at the nationals, there are grand and petite finals for the sprints, therefore some schools will actually have more races and therefore more wear and tear on their products compared to teams that may not have qualified for the finals). This is the point in the competition where the judges do the tape check. Section 9.2.3.b is to be interpreted as this – if a canoe is not seaworthy enough to complete the preliminary sprints and endurance races (i.e. structurally damaged beyond tape repair, team does not compete, etc.), then that team receives No Final Product Points. If the damage occurs after the “tape check” the only points that can be affected are in the race category and not in Final Product. Please note that there is a difference between DNF (did not finish) and failure to complete a race. If a canoe DNF due to an event such as being swamped and the paddlers conceded the race, but the canoe once retrieved from the water is still seaworthy and can compete in another race, the team just receives 0 races points in that particular race but is eligible for all of its Final Product points.
RFI No.: 47
Subject: Section 9.3, Canoe Cross Section
Section 9.3, "A full scale cutaway section representative of both raw and finished canoe..." Can the cutaway section of the canoe be in any shape, just as long as it shows both the raw and finished product, or does it actually have to be in the shape of the canoe?
Response: Section 9.3, Cutaway Section, states that “A full-scale cutaway section representative of both the raw and finished canoe shall be judged as part of the Final Product and shall be presented alongside the canoe. At least three (3) feet of the cutaway section shall demonstrate the concrete casting, finishing, and reinforcement techniques used (i.e., the three-foot section should show concrete placement and finishing in various stages). The cutaway section shall also show the mold, however, it does not count towards the required length of the cutaway section. “Given that it is full-scale and shows the mold as well would imply that the cross-section is in the shape of a portion of the canoe.
RFI No.: 83
Subject: Section 9.3 Cutaway Section
Section 9.1.1 states: "Canoes shall be displayed on display stands designed to support the canoe at a clear height of 2.5 to 4 feet below the canoe.” We have two questions regarding this section of the rules regarding our display stand (see attached figure).Question 1: we would like to place the canoe pointing up at an angle of approximately 30 degrees. Does this conform to the rules? If so, does the 2.5 feet requirement apply to the lowest point of the canoe hull? Question 2: Can our front and rear support stands be continuously connected along the bottom of the canoe?
Response: The clear height in the regulations is a range. To be honest, the CNCCC or the judges are not measuring the clear height of the canoe from the ground but have given guidelines on what is needed. We do not want the canoes sitting on the ground or being elevated too high, so we gave a practical height. If you want to have one end of the canoe 2.5 feet off the ground and the other end 4 feet off the ground that is perfectly fine. Obviously, the intent of the stand(s) is to hold the canoe up to showcase it and to allow it to be removed so that it can be flipped over for inspection by the judges. The stands themselves are relatively small and should not be large continuous pieces (i.e., acting like a table). While the stand proposed is creative, it goes against the intent of the rules and regulations and is not permitted.
RFI No.: 84
Subject: Section 9.3 Cutaway Section
Please reference Section 9.3 Cutaway Section. We have attached a drawing of what our mold will look like. We will have leaves coming off of a vine which will serve as "windows" to the various layers of the mold. 1. Does the mold physically show a large enough area of the process? 2. Is showing only the vine acceptable as long as everything is labeled?
Response: The cross section is to be representative of the canoe making process. The CNCCC would make the suggestion of trying not to be too creative/artistic with the cross section. There have been past competitions where teams have lost points at the conference level because the judges felt the artistic rendition of the cross section was not adequate enough. A judge may say that the leaves are large enough or representative enough. We do not want to make this an issue and would suggest to all teams to use adequate coverage of area to represent your canoe.
RFI No.: 110
Subject: Section 9.3: Cutaway Section
We would like to request a clarification on Section 9.3: Cutaway Section. This year, our team built two canoes. An expanded polystyrene (EPS) form was used to cast the first canoe, but was damaged during form removal. A second fiberglass form was made by draping epoxy-dampened fiberglass over the hull of the first canoe, and this new form was used to cast the second canoe. Which of these things (EPS form, first canoe, fiberglass form, and second canoe) should be represented in our cutaway section? Both foam and fiberglass forms were female molds, so it may not be practical to represent both of them in the cutaway section.
Response: Based on the scenario, the CNCCC would accept the fiberglass form used to cast the second canoe. You can elaborate in your design report the actual scenario that took place as outlined in your RFI.
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